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Subject:Observing people
Time:11:19 pm
You know, it's funny how much people feel the need to categorise themselves. I've had this discussion (albeit briefly) with milkmixedtapes about people defining themselves by bands they like, or what have you.

It's funny reading some of the add me communities ... "I like xyz music... so that means I'm a blah blah... so only fellow blah blah's might like me". "I'm conservative, so if you're liberal, I don't want to hear from you" (or vice versa - perhaps not using those words, but I'm reading between the lines here). Or "I'm gay" as if that makes a poofteenth (apologies to Top Gear Australia for that one) of a difference to whether the person is worth knowing or not.

Who gives a crap?

I don't define myself by any of those. Apart from maybe weird - but we all are in some way or other. And I don't claim to be "liberal" or "conservative" (In Australia, saying you're Liberal means you're right wing!) But of course, that's because the Liberal Party (ie. conservative party) is economically liberal, not necessarily socially. I judge by issue, not by party affiliations, or by a band affiliation, or religious, or whatever else.

For example, I don't think all songs by Smashing Pumpkins or U2 "rule", nor that all songs by Britney "suck". Some are good, and some suck... from whoever it happens to be. Take everything on it's own merit, I say.

Oh, apart from Shannon Noll. He just sounds like a whiney bitch.

:D

So my question is - do YOU define yourself by some category? And if so.. why? Why do you feel the need to? Do your choices come from yourself, or are you conditioned to prefer those choices as a result of 'belonging' to that category? :)

I like making people think :)

Why am I writing all of this down?

Because I'm procrastinating once again.. I should be studying!
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doitalone
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Time:2008-10-16 12:45 pm (UTC)
What are you talking about, of course all U2 songs are awesome!

But seriously, I've come to accept the fact that most people label me as "emo". In fact, I'm getting a brand new wrist tattoo, and my friend goes, "Why don't you just carve it into your arm you emo bitch."

And most of my friends call me a republican. It's not really true - I just tend you have seemingly outdated ideas. :(
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-16 01:27 pm (UTC)
Songs like their christian conversion songs like Grace etc. and their rather ordinary rendition of Everlasting Love and Dancing Queen? :)

And of course, the sheer cheesiness of Aspect of Rock? :)

hehehe

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megsari
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Time:2008-10-16 02:24 pm (UTC)
I think if you truly know who you are you can safely put yourself in a category. I know for myself, I'm constantly changing and learning things, therefore I couldn't label myself as anything. If I want to dress a certain way and listen to a certain band one I might, but another day I might not :)
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-16 02:56 pm (UTC)
But truly knowing yourself doesn't preclude you from changing, therefore the categorisation becomes meaningless, right? :)

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socarefully
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Time:2008-10-16 02:36 pm (UTC)
I dress like a goth - but I'm not really a goth I just like wearing black.

Out of interest Films mainly wears grey - I think there should be a word to descibe this as well.
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-16 02:57 pm (UTC)
Favourite colour of grey? :) I think that'd suffice nicely :)

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forevermonday
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Time:2008-10-16 03:18 pm (UTC)
Even though I did say that I was gay on my Add_Me post, It was merely because I do not want someone to add me and then be offended or grossed out because I post about me and my lover. I don’t want to see negative comments.

As far as other classifications, I think people need to be more open minded. I think that we, as a country, are still so prejudice. Where have all the open minded people gone? Since when is freedom of speech a crime? OR for that matter, when it comes to Barack Obama, people are not going to vote for him because he is black??? What a classification! It’s one thing to not want to vote for him because of what he believes, but another to not want to vote for him on the only fact that he is HALF black. Why does having any part of the black culture make you black? He is just as white as he is black. Why not say you’re not voting for him because you don’t agree with his views on health care.

I think people are too worried about finding a place to fit in instead of just being themselves. They think that just because you may like a certain things that you may be a certain type of person. Just because you listen to angry music does not make you an angry person or because you like the color pink does not mean you are girly.

Sorry I got off on a tangent. I tried to keep it toned down lol.
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:05 am (UTC)
See, this is the thing. The people who would be "offended" by someone who is gay are the ones who actually use those labels. A "gay" group is one they'll keep away from for whatever stupid mental reasons they have. But it serves absolutely no point whatsoever. Why bother labelling others, and making *assumptions* based on it. It's not like you're out to convert them (in fact - I'd claim that fundamental christians are the worst in that regard)

You're absolutely right about the prejudice. And its not just your country ... many are like that.

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littlemissjesss
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Time:2008-10-16 06:57 pm (UTC)
Generally speaking, mature people aren't one dimensional, so it's impossible to put them into a category. Just because both X and Y shop at one store for clothing, doesn't mean they share an opinion on whether or not ketchup belongs on hamburgers or if abortion should be legal or not. Just because A and B love to travel, it doesn't mean they share the love of scuba diving. You know what I'm saying? While there may be correlations in certain "groups" of like-minded people who share some things in common, it's impossible for them to all share every personal opinion and because of that it's impossible to be able to lump yourself into ONE group and associate with every inch of that "lifestyle" or group.
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:05 am (UTC)
*nods* Agreed!
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:06 am (UTC)
I really like this response :)

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mahldeeta
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Time:2008-10-16 07:33 pm (UTC)
Study, study, study. :D
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:06 am (UTC)
I'll get there! :)

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angelica_wl
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Time:2008-10-16 09:25 pm (UTC)
This is kind of funny. I take a marketing class this semester, and it's all about categorizing people: mainstream, aspirer, reformer, retired etc. I've never really cared about categories, I'm me and that should be enough. Everyone has different sides, so you could belong in a number of categories. Just imagine how boring it would be if everyone was one-dimensional!
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:07 am (UTC)
You *could* belong to a lot of different categories, true... but being in one of those marketing categories doesn't define you in what they assume... eg. not all gen Y's are selfish and money minded, etc...

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choycelyte
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Time:2008-10-17 03:20 am (UTC)
LOL! It's nice to know that i'm not the only one who comes on Lj when they're supposed to be studying. I guess people like to categorize themselves because it gives them some sense of belonging orr identity. Personally I've always hated being lumped up with any particular group. I like to think of myself as an individual.
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:07 am (UTC)
YOu certainly aren't the only one! I'm the kind of procrastination :)

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boxsofrain
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Time:2008-10-17 04:13 am (UTC)
I like this. :) I don't think I define myself at all.
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:10 am (UTC)
I think that's one of the best ways to be. Just take life as it comes!

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smoke_screen
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Time:2008-10-17 11:11 am (UTC)
i don't label myself as anything apart from eclectic. my sense of fashion alone is all over the place!

i guess people need to feel they 'belong' i find it so interesting how we as an individual are affected by society, and how we function with the pressures of society.

i do find it a bit of a joke how people can be so predictable in these add me communities. call me a snob, but once someone starts listing bands they listen to, or they fact that they are pierced and inked, i tend to ignore them. i just don't find it relevant!!!
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:10 am (UTC)
I've been called eclectic before as well. And I have no fasion sense ;)

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esquizofrenica
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Time:2008-10-18 02:24 am (UTC)
Personally, I don't label myself as anything. My music taste is eclectic... I myself am an eclectic individual. I can hang out with the rich and famous as well as with the beggars.

The thing about labels is... others tend to label you and like Eminem said:

I'm tired of arguing - I don't mean to mean but it's all I can be
It's just me
And I am
Whatever you say I am
If I wasn't, then why would I say I am?
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-18 05:11 am (UTC)
I never knew the lyrics to that - thank you :)

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jrheam
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Time:2008-10-20 04:19 am (UTC)
I don't at all.
I listen to so much country, so much rock and so much other random things... I could never stick myself in a category.
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-20 05:15 am (UTC)
Sticking ones self into a category sounds rather painful as well ;)

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siredurado
Subject:Re: Well, I&#39;ll bite.
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Time:2008-10-20 05:13 am (UTC)
And I thank you for your two cents. The thing I'm noticing though, is that having likes/dislikes/etc. is one thing - but some people go to the extent of actually defining a whole person by a label. That's not something I particularly care for, and I don't think many people would assume they fit perfectly into any particular categorisation :)

The big issue comes in when people are discriminated (either for or against) based on categorisations - rather than on the individuals.

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vintagemermaid
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Time:2008-10-22 02:23 am (UTC)
I agree with what you said about music. I really don't care what my friends listen to as long as we get along. =/ In high school, many people thought I was lesbian 'cause I listened to Tori Amos and I had Angelina Jolie on my trapper keeper. My bad.
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siredurado
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Time:2008-10-22 02:30 am (UTC)
I would have assumed you just had good taste ;)

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